@chrisgraham29045 лет назад +324
Automotive body filler (Bondo) available in "Classic" and stranded reinforced formulas for heavy build-up applications works very well at a fraction of the cost of the product that you are demonstrating. I've used it for rotted wood moldings and frames for 40 years, particularly useful for 100 year old Victorian scroll work moldings that are difficult to reproduce today. Applications on my own home that are 20 years old are holding up fine and undetectable today. Bondo is also a two part epoxy that can be drilled, sanded and shaped with common woodworking tools and no special applicator required.
@StratKruzer4 года назад +7
I have been thinking of trying Bondo. Does it require a bonding agent, and if so what’s a good one?
@thetwogardens60484 года назад +12
I agree. Body filler is much cheaper and very strong too. Epoxy is not needed.
@jkgoet014 года назад +48
I've heard that the downside of automotive body filler is that it doesn't expand and contract as much as the epoxy they are using here, so if you use it outside it's more likely to crack and pop off
@chrisgraham29044 года назад +23
@@StratKruzer No. I've never used any type of bonding agent for wood repairs with Bondo. Just make sure that all the damp rot is removed and dry the cavity with a heat gun before filling the void.
@StratKruzer4 года назад +6
Chris Graham Thanks! I have some window repairs coming up, so I appreciate your advice.
@jeffthewhiff5 лет назад +9
I like how Tom cut a special template from the plastic putty knife to have the correct profile of the wood. Very cool!
@adelaferreira4575Год назад +5
Love Tom Silva,I have watched him for over 25 years and he always has something new for me to learn ,thanks Tom !
@jackriley59744 года назад +55
I save the wood "dust" from sanding and use it when mixing epoxy. It stiffens the mix and makes it easier to sand. It works as well as expensive fillers.
@danarzechula37692 месяца назад
Great tip what is the ratio
@wafflethug9 лет назад +277
its like being a house dentist
@larcat31485 лет назад +10
Except you don't get such a big hole in your pocket
@rjwalker66775 лет назад +7
I like the second way he mentioned. Take out just the rotted part and replace that with a small piece of wood. Saves time, effort and money.
@tompurtell4073Год назад +4
Tom, after I learned about this product, I have kept a supply in my garage for the next project that pops up. Your window project in this video was a large undertaking and I have never taken on a project this large before. I have used this on window brick mold and other applications on the exterior of my house. Currently using it on my French door threshold. I have found in the cold weather it can take a lot longer to setup. I always get nervous thinking maybe I did not mix it correctly. Recently ART was sold out of the large double tube, which I love to use with the caulking gun. Due to Covid shortages they were having trouble getting stock for the large double tube. I was encouraged to order the smaller project size, which I do not like as much, I found when I went to reuse the smaller tube after a couple months, there was some hardening at the applicator tip area. I recently saw ART had the larger tubes in stock, so I bought one. It is great stuff.
@ericbyers95545 лет назад +6
I still miss this old house and not to forget norm
@BearwoodBrown6 лет назад +68
great tip about making a tool to match the profile I could have used it yesterday Thanks Tommy
@roilhead2 года назад +1
Yep, great tip. I do this kind of work often, I'll be using this little gem.
@Frankeex4 года назад +40
Cutting that knife for your perfect custom shape is such simple genius!
@sxsboy2253Год назад +12
It’s interesting to see that after grinding out the rot you can see the very tips of a finger jointed brick molding. When building my house some 30 years ago I installed 27 windows all of which came with brick molding made out of finger jointed scraps. Over the last 10 years I’ve had to repair or replace almost every one of those brick moldings AND all the rot started in the finger joints. Something I wish I had considered when making the purchase.
@rhymereason344911 месяцев назад
Interesting observation...
@Marlene-zd4xm10 месяцев назад
I agree- same with my windowsills. All the finger joints swell and contract and cause problems that require repairs. Why wouldn’t they make casing/sills out of a single length of PT wood….
@FranCording2 месяца назад
So wonderful to see an expert at work. Not enough worker like Tom Silva.
@acerjuglans3833 года назад +15
Show the whole process, beginning to end! I want to see the repair after it's painted.
@jeffthewhiff6 лет назад
This is very cool! I have a couple of rotten window sills on my house and this technique should do the trick.
@catfishmudflap10 лет назад +7
Tom is so clever. I love watching him work.
@jameshisself9324Год назад +13
Great video! Good explanation of the contractor grade versions of this, but there are super easy homeowner ways to do this too. JB Weld 'Kwikwood' is a putty that you knead the parts together and once mixed you just press it into the void after clearing out the rot. You can easily knead it and shape it for about 20 minutes before hardening. After 1 hour it can be sanded and painted. Nowhere near as messy as this. The end result is surprisingly tough and blends very well with the wood.
Tbh, this rot is so extensive it would have been easier to rout out the remaining wood square-ish and cut a filler piece of wood to fill this large area.@surfordie825 месяцев назад
IS there anything that JB Weld products can't fix?
@jameshisself93245 месяцев назад
@@surfordie82 Toughest epoxy filler and repairer on the planet.
@jeffthewhiff4 года назад +5
I am working on a rotted window sill much like the one in this video and I like how Tom made the template to match the profile of the molding. Instead of using an epoxy, which can be pricey, I have decided to use some foam insulation and Bondo.
@matthewmcneil98122 года назад +3
Except for the fact that the template he made was absolutely useless as he didn't cut it straight and you could see that he ruined the work he had already done as soon as he took one swipe and they switched the scene. When he was scribing with the pencil he let the pencil fall in the dip of the rot and drew a crooked line. He sat there for 30 minutes making it straight with a knife he didnt cut, off camera. I'd bet on it. 🤣🤣
@troyyoung8167Год назад
@@matthewmcneil9812 I was thinking it looked like a good idea but your prob right. Bugger trying to cut those plastic scrapers. I’ve seen neat profile tools but tbh my freehand profiling is reasonably neat on my 70 year old timber windows.
@1065Olivia7 лет назад +8
I learned from watching this video that we can tackle this ourselves! Thank you!
@garykorzelius59303 года назад
Thank you that was very good info. It will come in handy this spring, as I fix a. Few spots i noticed this winter.
@age_of_reasonГод назад +1
This man is a master of his craft.
@worldoftanks374310 лет назад +2
YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME tom teaches me so much I want to be a carpenter when I get older too
@markryder36714 года назад +2
I hope you are younger than 18.....if not you're going the wrong way.
@Grendelbc6 лет назад +6
Damn good show. I've been watching for many years. Thank you PBS.
@rogerlehr11766 лет назад +1
Another use for epoxy. I have two forty year old shovels that are badly weathered and cracked. I smeared epoxy into all the cracks and completely covered the wood. Smooth, shiny and solid.
@hobotel46185 лет назад +42
Been using auto body filler for this for 10 years. I stay at that house today and it showes no signs of failing.
@fernandosalas85893 года назад +1
Thanks for info will try.
@Jamesee7773 года назад +4
I have been using bondo for 10 years too and as long as water doesn't get into the wood under the bondo, it will last! I don't know why some complain that it doesn't work but it does work. Others say it's not water proof. But so is wood! That is why we paint over it. Yes, it can crack and separate where it meets the wood, but if you keep an eye out, the problem can be fixed before more damage can be done. Cheap, fast repair and easy to apply. I'll keep using it until my window sills become 100% bondo. :p
@BostonBldgResources10 лет назад +58
If there is a big cavity that needs to be filled, you can use scrap wood blocks to make the epoxy go further.
@alisonnorcross9514 года назад
Emmm I used people's s lasting
@roilhead2 года назад
Where the void is larger I cut timber into the area and apply an expanding glue which dose it's stuff and works its always into all the books and crannies making for an seperior bond.
@ihatelogincrap4 года назад +1
I'd like to see how to fix windows made of field built wood frames attached to structural corner posts and go floor to ceiling where the bottom sill details is also baseboard trim detail where there's nothing really on the market to replace such big things and also preserve the look of the original mid century modern 1952 look.
But still I thank you for all the woodworking tips ! Your show helps demystify and builds confidence !@seriousx30215 лет назад +3
I love RUclips I'm a visual learner this is great!
@GBV14365 лет назад +1
Thanks for sharing this great strategy
@stanleyblazeraznik60475 лет назад +1
Brilliant. Hope this works for me on one of my crank outs. I doubt it.
@hudsonriverlee3 года назад
Love the video. My house, is 1880 years old,, lol the kitchen windows show this the most. In the spring of 2021 I will attack these areas better armed with the knowledge I gained today 8 Nov.20.... well done Guys.
@j.mccarthy30082 года назад +1
Thanks!! I now know what to do for a couple of window sills. 👍
@roilhead2 года назад +41
In the larger voids use screws so the expoxy binds to the screws as well making a much better bond.
@plasticbmw2 года назад +5
good idea
@dodge96sport2 года назад +3
I have used that method with concrete repairs, on large repairs tie wire can be wrapped around the screws in a random pattern to make mesh like grid for extra reinforcement.
@roilhead2 года назад +1
@@dodge96sport Rodger.. sounds like a fiddle I would sort out in the fly..
@BlessednFree2 года назад
Screws will rust out over time making it look like crap many years down the toad
@roilhead2 года назад +2
@@BlessednFree only if you don't use untreated screws. Useing screws makes a better conection between the timber & the product since one is inert & the other expands & contracts.
@mtadams20094 года назад
I have used Bondo, which is used for auto body repairs. Works well and cheap. Purchased it at Lowe's
@phild91402 года назад +9
Awesome! Would of liked to seen it finished thought!
@e28forever3011 месяцев назад +1
Would have liked
@laurapodrasky45664 года назад +1
Thanks for this invaluable information
@josephnorcalusa17106 лет назад
helpful information, thank you for sharing !!
@rokinz32704 года назад
Love the trick with the knife
@HappyPappynKatyTX9 лет назад +5
Outstanding. I buy my epoxy by the half gallon and one of several thickening agents.When dry, its solid like plastic and a little flexible. Great video. I have done the same thing around my home, several times. Process confirmed. Fantastic
@vgastinel5 лет назад +1
Harry Paul Garcia have you found a resonantly priced 1/2 gallon size of epoxy?
@frenchustube3 года назад +3
Thank you for the video very nice job! I appreciate how you show how to do the template with the spatula. I fixed 3 rotten wood beams and 3 window sills. I took away the wood rot first , then apply a product call Rotten wood restorer by Bondo. It really harden the wood in few minutes. Then i used Wood Bond, sanded it and painted it. Looks great!
@duaneantor91573 года назад +2
I use super glue to harden wood. The liquid type soaks right into the fiber.
@frenchustube3 года назад
Cool so i Rotten Wood Restorer. I really love the product , very easy to apply and dried very hard very quickly
@na697710 месяцев назад
They say Bondo dries hard and doesn't give with the weather so it will crack
@Roberto-mu1wd8 лет назад +2
There is a 4th way! I used some cheap all-purpose filler from Wilco (UK). It's cement based and not the usual plaster one.
@vidaliasoleil27142 года назад
I started using a lot of epoxy and polyester resin with and without fiberglass strands, or microbeads or colloidal silica on my house after buying a boat!
@WillN2Go13 года назад +4
Keep in mind one of most hazardous things you can do with epoxy is to start sanding it before it's fully cured. So scrape, cut but don't sand until the next day.
I've made some wooden strip kayaks and so I've used a lot of epoxy. The cheapest easiest way I might deal with this rotted wood work is to get a less expensive brand of epoxy, mix it up (as a liquid) then add filler. A filler I've used many times in a pinch was instant pancake mix. Baking flour (that Gold bond stuff that keeps dry for a year? It's not really food anymore) makes a great filler. Mixed in with the epoxy I've never had any bugs or problem. If you mix your epoxy and then add the filler right away you get longer working time. If you let the epoxy sit mixed for 5 minutes, then add the filler, it goes off a lot quicker.@terry23468 месяцев назад
Another good filler material is the dust from a shop vac or dust collection system on your table saw if you have one.
@geezowie10 лет назад +1
This is exactly what I needed to know. I have a Catalina Macaw which has chewed up several interior doors and other parts of my house. Is that a special 2-part epoxy made especially for wood?
@HomeImProveMentHow6 лет назад
Slick Trick with the putty knife making template
@erickm71378 лет назад +457
He is Using Flex-tec HV (see at 2:07). At $200+ per twin Bottle kit of Epoxy, I might as well pay for the wood replacement...
@jamesCH3W8 лет назад +21
+Erick GT yup your right around 200$ holy crap
@JohnPGrier-sm8cl8 лет назад +21
"Before we apply the epoxy I have to apply a 'bonding agent' to the wood so the epoxy adhere's to the wood." What's the name of the "bonding agent" in case I want to try this. Also, do I need a router or can I just attach the triangular shaped grinding bit to my drill?
@grubbetuchus7 лет назад +44
You can use a dremel. I have no clue what the bonding agent is. This video isn't that helpful other than to show you how to do it once you guess what materials these bozos are using.
@grubbetuchus7 лет назад +5
Here is their video, they also make thge bonding agent ... watch?v=EcRoCm9Am0g
@andersonjc7 лет назад +16
Get an EndRot kit, it's like $40 and a lot easier to work with than the stuff they are using.
@TangibleReads3 месяца назад
My new project for rotten pation door. Thanks
@davec.31984 года назад +11
As soon as I get the epoxy mixed, is when it starts raining.
@takeiteasy25303 года назад +3
You are in the craftsman club now
@cz8726 лет назад +3
West System product is the way to go. I usually put in a new piece of wood but keep coating all endgrain with unthickend epoxy many times until the wood will no longer draw it in like a straw. Then I thicken a batch with chopped cotton 406 and paiste it in. Your turning the crappy wood you can get today into plastic basically. Grind and file to sculpt the patch. Prime and paint. It's labor intensive but a lot cheaper than ripping everything out and flashing it all correctly and replacing. With the wide growth rings in the lumber that's available today carefully epoxy sealing endgrain on for example wood brick molding is an extra step worth taking.
@tellfile7 лет назад +3
Not sure what he used for bonding agent. Years ago I prepared soft rotted window sill areas with liquid thin penetrating epoxy that wicked in through the wood about 1 inch. It made soft wood fibers into hard plastic fibers never to rot and ready for filling. I bought it from *"The Rot Doctor"*
@mrnandus6 лет назад +15
The problem with this lies in the cost of this epoxy kit.
It cost more than replacing the whole window trimming@rhymereason344911 месяцев назад
You must have a very low value for labor...
@Wobannon216 лет назад
That was awesome
@Guruplace5 лет назад
Flexible epoxy must ne something like an isosianate. Pretty cool
@chelsealeonard62644 года назад
Thank you
@sean98204 года назад +10
Bondo makes an all purpose "fill" for about $11 per tub. Might be a bit more difficult but works beautifully and can be painted/sanded.
@AxcelGamer974 года назад +2
It doesn't work as good for exterior purposes though. It doesn't expand and contract with the wood nearly as much as this epoxy will, so it could crack and then pop off. May not happen a lot, but it's a very real possiblity.
@sean98204 года назад +1
@@AxcelGamer97 yeah I probably only use it for diy home repairs vs a paid job, but so far so good here. Replaced all the rotted trim of my windows here and it looks pretty darn good from a few feet away.
@AxcelGamer974 года назад +1
@@sean9820 I bet it works fine when you're doing it yourself like that. I've usually ended up just going the route of cutting out whatever is rotted and putting wood there simply because it's usually just one section of trim instead of a whole bunch like in this video. I've used Bondo a lot though for interior projects, such as trim, and it's worked great on that front.
@sean98204 года назад +1
@@AxcelGamer97 amen brother! I should note I did cut out and replace the wood as well, used the bondo to blend and fill the two/any gaps. Also had some rot on the bottom of our doors, which I again just filled and sanded. Little areas here and there where it helped in a big way.
@nslouka903 года назад +2
I’d use bondo any day considering this epoxy stuff they showed was nearly $100 for the bottle and doesn’t include their “special” gun.
@c.a.g.31303 года назад +3
It's actually much easier to just get a can of auto body Bondo. Works fantastic! And easily sanded and then painted.
@sebnemoden7342 года назад +2
Epoxy, great idea! What kind of epoxy and bonding agent [brands?] ? There are many.
I have a large project and need bout a gallon.@GelebFlamebringer7 лет назад
Great video
@wesleyburke75143 года назад +6
I've used the Bondo on exterior repairs and it does crack in some instances. As far as Minwax it's it's basically Bondo. I do like using the wood hardener Minwax makes. I would like to use the epoxy stuff that they use then then make my decision on what is best
@donflash11282 года назад
Smart using that rubber mat on the front porch.
@AlexRicketson4 года назад
I've tried this myself using JB Weld Wood Epoxy. It works but it's pretty difficult to make it look as good as new. If you only have a tiny amount of rot this might be the easiest and cheapest method, but next time I run into this situation I will probably just replace the wood.
@ahdunheved4 года назад +13
We should be done with this small repair in two to three days.... 🤣
@SSJIndy3 года назад
"How much is that in dollars, Tommy?"
@darriuscole85443 года назад +1
That's what i was thinking. It seems like an awful lot just to fix two pieces of window trim. Seems to me like it would be much quicker and cheaper to just pull the boards out, cut some more boards to size, and put them in.
@PROJECT_936_dot_NET3 года назад
Wonderful display You have inspired me to work on my channel, thanks. 🐼
@stylepainting42333 года назад
Great job
@stevemcleod46082 года назад
One thought on the Bondo use, i thought it absorbed water, that is why we need to use tiger hair when filing in a rust hole and not go straight to bondo. Bondo is so easy to use and sands so nice, i can see how convenient it would be in this application.
@vidaliasoleil27142 года назад
I know people who have used bondo for fiberglass repairs on their boats who report that water absorption has never been a problem. But wood absorbs water too, so I am not sure why that would be a problem when repairing damaged wood.
@jhi19477 лет назад +1
Tommy Silva is the man!
@jacobrivera72244 года назад
Thanks
@donaldtompkins33067 лет назад
I like what I see, but I need to get it in writing. I had a head injury in 1986 on a motorcyle and it is hard for me to remember. Thank you.
@bambam623197310 лет назад +2
Where can I find the epoxy? his looks great!
@ROGER20954 года назад +2
I use Durham's "Rock-Hard" Water Putty. It only lasts around 10 years - longer if you prep the surfaces properly and paint it well, but it costs under $10.
@cooperwelder752 года назад
Does it flex though?
@scottmeeker9971Год назад
@@cooperwelder75 no
@toycarcollector3 года назад +1
I just bought this stuff and it is perfect for the job I needed to do in our corner window. For that window the number of parts that would have to be removed would be time consuming. With this you dig out all the rotten wood, sand as much as possible, pretreat with the bonding agent and will the void. It dries very fast. Sand and paint. In the future when all of the siding is replaced that would be the time to replace the wood window surrounds, not now.
@phild91402 года назад
Thanks for the review. If you don't use the entire tube/tubes is their a way to cap them and save them? Was it somewhat easy to sand and form? Thanks!
@toycarcollector2 года назад +2
@@phild9140 You need to apply it quickly. If you are too slow and work it too much you will get pits or grooves. I used a belt sander to smooth it because it becomes hard as a rock. I had window sills that had rot all the way through the middle. The results are amazing. Do order more that you think because it goes fast. You don't want to run out.
@toycarcollector2 года назад +2
Yes the tubes come with caps so you can close it up. I used the tube style where you mix after you dispense.
@phild91402 года назад
@@toycarcollector thank you for the reply. I was hoping I could sand it by hand. Still might purchase it though.Thanks again.
@mr.winterspirit38588 лет назад
your channel is awosome
@kellymcconnell16543 года назад +2
Hi, thanks for this video! I dug out some rot from the bottom of a couple of exterior door frames. The resulting spaces are each about the size of a baseball or maybe a little bigger. Would it work to fill the holes with "great stuff big gap filler", trim it to be almost flush with the door frame, cover with a little regular wood filler, and paint? Hope that's not a dumb question. I already have all these materials, so that would be convenient, rather than buying epoxy/etc. Thanks!
@tammycorman42222 года назад +1
This is exactly what I was thinking of doing to my exterior door rot? Curious if you tried it Kelly McConnell.
@bobdyer4226 лет назад +1
Before I purchased my house the previous owner had a contractor repair a sill using car bondo, this allowed the water into and around the entire window. The entire sill and surrounding wood rotted out and now I have to replace the window, window sill, frame, and flashing. Real wood and a real contractor is my next choice!
@scrappyny74324 года назад
As a handy man I use Durham's Rock Hard water putty. Home Dumpo has it and is a crap-ton cheaper too. In the paint isle.
@petersplat61642 месяца назад
Looks like a great idea, as long as someone else pays for it.
@carlschnier40893 года назад +4
What bonding agent do you apply before you apply the epoxy ?
@krn1424210 лет назад +2
Great tip. Thanks guys.
@RubbinRobbin6 лет назад +1
Make sure to always paint your epoxy to prevent UV damage
@dennymcfastlane85304 года назад +1
I use Bondo, a gallon is like $16.00. Works Great for wood and i still have a lot left for Auto. Repairs.
@les65564 года назад
I've used Bondo, and Bondo wood filler. They both work fine. Minwax High Performance Wood Filler is another great product. I used it to update an old door when I removed the mortise lock and updated to a modern type lockset. Got hard as a rock and I was able to drill out for the bolt.
@davidgentz17314 месяца назад
We use that on wooden boats that used to call it get right but basically it's just a poxy injected into the wood and it makes it as good as new even stronger I believe
@RagamalaRokudan5 лет назад +1
I wonder if epoxy gives any structural strength? I have a table with rotten legs. I wonder if this is strong enough to support the table (around 15kg weight) or I'd better replace the legs.
@ludovitche6 лет назад
I already tried to use some regular wall putty, but it's too liquid to shape.
Can I put epoxy on top of another wall putty ?
Or I have to remove the wall putty first ?@IronBroccoli7 лет назад +3
People rarely show the staining or painting of these fillers, especially the homemade ones.
@blue03r64 года назад +1
bondo cheaper and sets up faster. also you need to add something to the large holes for the epoxy to grip or it will eventually fall back out. nails or screws into the good wood will work great.
@andrewmccallister2216Год назад +3
Question: If the rotted part is touching something prone to moisture, such as a concrete slab, will repairing the wood with epoxy prevent rotting in the future? Or will the moisture transverse up into the wood above it?
@alexwatson6370Год назад +1
Wood should never be close to concrete without a vapor barrier in between
@alisonnorcross9514 года назад
I love your video. But are there simple materials we can use now .?
@kerryobanion6542 года назад
Smith's is a good local (bay area) brand of paste two-part filler; they also make a two-part hardener. Pricey of course but for me, worth it. However, I am very skeptical Tom could match the shapes in a single application: better to do a first fill, dry, then a topcoat. Some of my repairs on my old house are 20 years old and solid.
@kathyanderson68546 лет назад
What about killing the fungus? Isn't that a must before covering over the affected area?
@jasonnester95145 лет назад
Bondo works well to
@martinhickman223410 лет назад +13
This looks fine, except for the skim coat applied on the face of the sill. Epoxy does not allow liquid water or water vapor to pass through itself. When you apply a skim coat over the face of the sill, moisture can be trapped inside the wood, leading to accelerated rot and the skim coat separating from the sill. 5 yrs seems to be the lifespan of this kind of repair in the humid philadelphia area.
@roughlygalaxy6 лет назад +2
How do you explain the same does not happen when you paint the wood?
@bighammer5875 лет назад +3
Gleison Storto Simple. Paint is vapor permeable.
@GrampalettasCamp4 года назад +1
I’ve seen this too in marine industry. People coat varnish or epoxy on both sides of wood. A small scratch allows water in and lack of ventilation and oxygen causes ramped rotting
@HomeImProveMentHow6 лет назад +1
You can use Bondo and it works really well and a lot cheaper than epoxy and it's paintable as well
@HomeImProveMentHow6 лет назад
That was slick well done with the putty knife making your temple
@bubbagreensmith71748 лет назад
Thanks Tom good fix...
@titanniki4124 года назад
What about the right corner of the Upper sash. Will epoxy fall down?
@stacktier82576 лет назад
is the bonding agent necessary since it's not listed on the shopping list? seems like there are a lot of types of bonding agents.
@hamesh34742 года назад
Need this on a house that I own.. I'm not talented like this... Don't have a lot of time either for a project like this..
@davidafarber17 лет назад +1
System 3 Rot fix kit is a much easier way to go and a lot less expensive.
@whirlybird31895 лет назад +1
I used car body dent filler!
@slowpoke23727 лет назад +4
I watched this while waiting for the dentist ......
@stephenvanasten80463 года назад
The only problem using these products is after time the wood expands and contracts around the filler ( which does not) and cracks around the filler show up. I think an exterior nylon based powder filler lasts much longer.
@shawn13mertle134 года назад +1
I have to admit from the way I have seen wood rot travel.I would pull the boards if possible and replace them.That way you can see if it traveled on any of the other contact pieces.Wood rot is no joke.
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